Ebay replacing GSP with something worse

[tggzzz]

I know nothing about this other than...
"Got some bad news for those who buy TE, TE parts or TE manuals from the US, with "ebay global shipping program", it's being slowly replaced with an even worse service called "ebay international shipping program", this is bad for both buyers & sellers........"
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ ... msg4777250

[Zenith]

I have a friend who used to buy a lot of model trains and other things on ebay from the USA. He swears about the rip-off ebay GSP system. He does much less of it now. I've never found ebay items from other countries (apart from China) attractive, when shipping is considered, particularly the USA.

This doesn't surprise me. There seems to be a pattern where things like ebay start, they are cheap and good, and gradually they become more bureaucratic, less flexible and more of a highly tuned operation to gouge the user.

[tggzzz]

One major difference for buyers...
https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/shippi ... d=HELP1028

Buying from sellers using the Global Shipping Program
Benefits of the Global Shipping Program for buyers:
You’ll pay all shipping, taxes, and import charges up front, and you won't have to pay any extra charges when your item is delivered

Buying from sellers using eBay International Shipping
If your seller is shipping your item through eBay International Shipping, the eBay International Shipping logo will be displayed in the listing and at checkout. You'll pay for delivery charges at checkout and you'll pay for any customs charges, import fees and taxes either at checkout or when your item arrives.

[mnementh]

Fuck that noize. With a shovel.

The only value eBay GSP's markup had to me was fixed cost so I know exactly what I'm buying/paying for as both a buyer and seller. It's like they're deliberately trying to drive you to Bezos' Online Crack Shop for everything now.

mnem
*toddles off to design a grommet*

[Specmaster]

One major difference for buyers...
https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/shippi ... d=HELP1028

Buying from sellers using the Global Shipping Program
Benefits of the Global Shipping Program for buyers:
You’ll pay all shipping, taxes, and import charges up front, and you won't have to pay any extra charges when your item is delivered

Buying from sellers using eBay International Shipping
If your seller is shipping your item through eBay International Shipping, the eBay International Shipping logo will be displayed in the listing and at checkout. You'll pay for delivery charges at checkout and you'll pay for any customs charges, import fees and taxes either at checkout or when your item arrives.

I haven't had the time yet to look at this in detail, but I take it from what you posted here that sellers will have the option of either service, yes? If so than I'll continue to use the GSP as that just works and gives the best all round protection.

[tggzzz]

One major difference for buyers...
https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/shippi ... d=HELP1028

Buying from sellers using the Global Shipping Program
Benefits of the Global Shipping Program for buyers:
You’ll pay all shipping, taxes, and import charges up front, and you won't have to pay any extra charges when your item is delivered

Buying from sellers using eBay International Shipping
If your seller is shipping your item through eBay International Shipping, the eBay International Shipping logo will be displayed in the listing and at checkout. You'll pay for delivery charges at checkout and you'll pay for any customs charges, import fees and taxes either at checkout or when your item arrives.

I haven't had the time yet to look at this in detail, but I take it from what you posted here that sellers will have the option of either service, yes? If so than I'll continue to use the GSP as that just works and gives the best all round protection.

I don't know, but the eevblog message seems to indicate that US sellers can't use GSP.

[Specmaster]

Hmm, thats not good if the US sellers can't use GSP. I have noticed that eBay does seem to have different rules in some countries, but I had put that down to laws that are applicable in those countries? Maybe eBay has seen a tremendous increase in the numbers of buyers trying to con the sellers on overseas sales, which with the GSP, means that it is eBay who are taking the hits?

[tggzzz]

Fuck that noize. With a shovel.

The only value eBay GSP's markup had to me was fixed cost so I know exactly what I'm buying/paying for as both a buyer and seller. It's like they're deliberately trying to drive you to Bezos' Online Crack Shop for everything now.

As a seller, the GSP helps by filling in customs paperwork, e.g. what the magic HS code is. For example, if I flog an oscillator...

• Temperature compensated oscillator, comprising a printed circuit on which are mounted at least a piezo-electric crystal and an adjustable capacitor, contained in a housing => "8543 7090 80"
• Voltage controlled oscillator (VCO), other than temperature compensated oscillators, consisting of active and passive elements mounted on a printed circuit, contained in a housing => "8543 7090 85"

[mnementh]

That's exactly what I was talking aboot from the vendor side. This change in SOP indicates to me they no longer do that...

mnem
eBay...

[mnementh]

Hmm, thats not good if the US sellers can't use GSP. I have noticed that eBay does seem to have different rules in some countries, but I had put that down to laws that are applicable in those countries? Maybe eBay has seen a tremendous increase in the numbers of buyers trying to con the sellers on overseas sales, which with the GSP, means that it is eBay who are taking the hits?

You mean actually expecting them to deliver on the eBay guarantee? I expect it's more a sharp rise in actually having to pay legitimate "Not as described" cases due to their continuing refusal to police the marketplace. Cuz that would mean, you know, paying real people a wage.

mnem
*Kicks Murphy in the 'nads*

[Specmaster]

Hmm, thats not good if the US sellers can't use GSP. I have noticed that eBay does seem to have different rules in some countries, but I had put that down to laws that are applicable in those countries? Maybe eBay has seen a tremendous increase in the numbers of buyers trying to con the sellers on overseas sales, which with the GSP, means that it is eBay who are taking the hits?

You mean actually expecting them to deliver on the eBay guarantee? I expect it's more a sharp rise in actually having to pay legitimate "Not as described" cases due to their continuing refusal to police the marketplace. Cuz that would mean, you know, paying real people a wage.

mnem
*Kicks Murphy in the 'nads*

Yeh, could be that, all we can do is surmise.

[tggzzz]

A current statement from eBay is below. This response was pleasant in that it provided some answers and wasn't a mere response.

My emphasis, and I've asked the obvious questions about "which shipping company to ask" and "response times".

Thank you for writing to eBay with regard to eBay International Shipping (eIS). I will definitely help you with answering your questions regarding Import charges. Before I proceed, I would like to share with that if there is any Import cost charged for an item then you will be able to see the Import cost on the listing page itself.

1. If there is no Import charges on the listing page or checkout page, then system will not inform about the amount shipping service will charge you during delivery. For that you will be required to contact the shipping service before placing your order.

2. If there is no Import charges on the listing page or checkout page, then system will not inform about the admin/processing fees. It completely depends upon the shipping service due to which we do not have any idea how much they will be charging.

3. If you select the sort option as "lowest price + P&P", then based upon that system will show you the postage cost. If postage is free then it will show as "Free delivery". Postage cost doesn't include Import charges and tax.

Summary: as almost bad as expected. The purchase cost will be unknowable, and likely much more than eBay indicates.

[Specmaster]

That is going to curtail the amount of international transactions for sure. I certainly will not be entering into a purchase that I cannot be sure of the total final value of my final bill.