Thoughtful dissection of the EV debate.

[Specmaster]

As I have made it clear before in previous posts, I am not anti EV cars, if they float your boat, so be it, it is your choice, choice being the operative word. Please before anybody goes all ballistic and claiming that they cannot afford the time to watch the video etc, fine, if that is you, be an ostrich and bury your head in the sand. Others who, like me, have an open mind and can see potential problems in the future, and yes I understand that I said potential and that they might develop solutions to these problems, but there is also the risk that they might not be able to resolve them.

So if you have an open mind, and don't have an axe to grind either way, I urge you to watch this video and think about the information presented within it and formulate your own opinions about the future direction.

One thing I can promise you all is that you will not see a session of EV car bashing or any mention of conspiracy theory's, or tin hat brigades, but you will see a well presented and researched presentation about the lie that EV cars will save the planet, they will not but don't take my word for it, watch this and you see where the real problems are.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytWLB4-W-M

[mnementh]

This is hardly a "thoughtful dissection"; it is a one-sided compilation of all the excuses for not getting rid of ICE vehicles we've been told literally for decades. It is highly derivative, and the statistics it uses are well-known already among the pro-big-energy side of this debate.

The problem is in the core presentation of personal EVs as the only issue; they are not. All the combustion engines we use are the big problem, and we have to stop using them, big or small, to make our energy and move things and people around.

Once you include all those combustion engines, (yes, your gas-fired electric plant is also a combustion engine) then the numbers are overwhelming.

So why EVs...? Because it is one of very few things that we, the public, can change. We can prove that there is a demand for other ways of deriving our power, and we can vote with our dollars to go that route.

I've been saying for over a decade that EV as they are made now are more harmful than good. The only reason we have them in broad production at this point is somebody showed TPTB that they can get more profits out of the petrochemicals and heavy industry involved in making them than they get from the lost gasoline sales, and they get it all up-front in the manufacturing process.

Then, in many markets, they get as much or more profits from the power plants making the electricity to charge them, plus they often get to sell charging/manufacturing power derived from coal and other dirty fuels.

This is the same exact reason our electric companies have subsidized first CFL then LED fluorescent lighting; it really is no conspiracy theory or any such thing. It's plain and obvious in the bottom line; just follow the money.

The problem for the public at large is more one of forcing a move away from ICE vehicles (both used in shipping and personal vehicles) with market pressure, so we can then force adoption of cleaner sources of electric power to charge them. If this is they only way they'll let us have the EVs we've been begging for for over half a century, we have to take it. Unfortunately, all the science says we're literally decades too late to be starting this step in that process; but it's not like we've been given a choice.

We still have political power groups battling against even admitting there is a problem at all.

mnem
Humanity is doomed.

[Specmaster]

If the figures presented in that video are correct, then we as normal people replace all ICE cars in the world with EV cars, it will make almost zero impact on the pollution and global warming as the presenter pointed out.

We need to clean up industry and agriculture, these are biggest contributors to problem, we also need to stop exporting the manufacturing of goods to countries like China because of costs and then have the finished goods transported all over the globe back to the customers. We need to produce goods locally and then a lot of needles shipping could be stopped as the only things needed to be shipped would be raw materials only.

Corporate greed has hugely added to the global problems by effectively exporting jobs etc to countries where people will work for far less, such as the Far East and this was indeed predicted many years ago by the experts of the day but just as the experts of today tried to warn us all of the folly of extracting the UK from Europe would result in major economic problems for UK appear to be have also been correct.

I don't deny that we all need to do our bit for sake of humanity, but if the big corporates don't play along, then humanity is doomed, we as normal people will have made sacrifices for nothing, as you rightly said, they can get more profits from the shift to electric than they get from the fossil fuels.

[tautech]

I don't deny that we all need to do our bit for sake of humanity, but if the big corporates don't play along, then humanity is doomed, we as normal people will have made sacrifices for nothing, as you rightly said, they can get more profits from the shift to electric than they get from the fossil fuels.

You overlook the obvious in that worldwide, Gubbermints for decades have watched and allowed local industry close down and production be sent offshore. It's not the multinationals or corporate fault as they only made advantage of the economy they operated within.
That Gubbermints have turned their back on their populations all this time is the far bigger crime.....and so often it involved vested interests.

However we as consumers can act if properly informed and boycott purchases of local company goods produced offshore.
This, if it happens is properly letting market forces dictate but it always comes back to whom sets the constraints on how the big companies can operate ?
Gubbermints of course.

[Specmaster]

I don't deny that we all need to do our bit for sake of humanity, but if the big corporates don't play along, then humanity is doomed, we as normal people will have made sacrifices for nothing, as you rightly said, they can get more profits from the shift to electric than they get from the fossil fuels.

You overlook the obvious in that worldwide, Gubbermints for decades have watched and allowed local industry close down and production be sent offshore. It's not the multinationals or corporate fault as they only made advantage of the economy they operated within.
That Gubbermints have turned their back on their populations all this time is the far bigger crime.....and so often it involved vested interests.

However we as consumers can act if properly informed and boycott purchases of local company goods produced offshore.
This, if it happens is properly letting market forces dictate but it always comes back to whom sets the constraints on how the big companies can operate ?
Gubbermints of course.

Yes, that is so very true, I was kind of lumping Gubbermints in with the corporate greed culture because as you pointed out, often involves vested interests as so many of their laws and rules are drafted to serve their own selfish requirements first and foremost.