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Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:59 pm
by mnementh
Specmaster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:34 pm
mnementh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:59 pm
Well, if you look into the crap he's shilling on his yoobChoob, it looks pretty likely he's a
"alternative investment marketeer". The name of the game there is
"go big or stay home" and above all else, spend OPM if you can.
I can sortof see it; even if he spends 2-3 mil getting it all back together, there has to be some revenue-generating potential in owning Elvis' last private jet, and the only one not a static exhibit at Graceland.
mnem
Rich Rebuilds, eat yer heart out. 
Yeah, I think you may have a good point there, there probably is a certain cache to having the only airworthy plane with that provenance, especially if he can get it back its original condition. I can see many fans would be willing to pay handsomely for a flight in the Kings plane.
In a moment of boredom (actually, more like morbid curiosity while I waited on a buyer for a lawnmower), I dug further on the guy's yoobChoob; it appears this guy is a "plane flipper". He shops/buys abandoned/barn find airplanes and gets them running just enough to resell, and does videos to keep cash-flow happening and to generate exposure, I guess.
The
Elvis JetStar remained abandoned in the desert for the last 34 years for a reason; the engine configuration (four J-12 engines) the airframe was originally designed/certified for could not be made to meet
FAA Airworthiness Directive § 91.801 (circa 1989); it was just too fucking loud for any civilian aircraft flying in/out of a civilian airport.
This plane has probably been a well-known zombie aircraft (in the circles it
might have been sold through after the King's death) for that reason for a long time before this guy bought it. Even if it could be made to meet that AD, restoration estimates start at just shy of $6M (approx half of that to replace engines/avionics scavenged while it sat abandoned, plus another mil to rewire the aircraft), going up logarithmic-scale if critical airframe corrosion was found.
So now, he's had to chop up the aircraft into pieces to bring it home... and he's going to convert it into a luxury "motorhome" for rent on tour.
Yes, you heard that right... you too could spend a night sleeping in this monstrosity.
Kalloo, Kallay, oh Frabjous day... 
...and he's funding it exactly as you might think: in true
"alternative investment marketeer spending OPM" style.
mnem
there's an hour of my life I'll never get back...
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:27 pm
by Specmaster
mnementh wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:59 pm
Specmaster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:34 pm
mnementh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:59 pm
Well, if you look into the crap he's shilling on his yoobChoob, it looks pretty likely he's a
"alternative investment marketeer". The name of the game there is
"go big or stay home" and above all else, spend OPM if you can.
I can sortof see it; even if he spends 2-3 mil getting it all back together, there has to be some revenue-generating potential in owning Elvis' last private jet, and the only one not a static exhibit at Graceland.
mnem
Rich Rebuilds, eat yer heart out.
Yeah, I think you may have a good point there, there probably is a certain cache to having the only airworthy plane with that provenance, especially if he can get it back its original condition. I can see many fans would be willing to pay handsomely for a flight in the Kings plane.
In a moment of boredom (actually, more like morbid curiosity while I waited on a buyer for a lawnmower), I dug further on the guy's yoobChoob; it appears this guy is a "plane flipper". He shops/buys abandoned/barn find airplanes and gets them running just enough to resell, and does videos to keep cash-flow happening and to generate exposure, I guess.
The
Elvis JetStar remained abandoned in the desert for the last 34 years for a reason; the engine configuration (four J-12 engines) the airframe was originally designed/certified for could not be made to meet
FAA Airworthiness Directive § 91.801 (circa 1989); it was just too fucking loud for any civilian aircraft flying in/out of a civilian airport.
This plane has probably been a well-known zombie aircraft (in the circles it
might have been sold through after the King's death) for that reason for a long time before this guy bought it. Even if it could be made to meet that AD, restoration estimates start at just shy of $6M (approx half of that to replace engines/avionics scavenged while it sat abandoned, plus another mil to rewire the aircraft), going up logarithmic-scale if critical airframe corrosion was found.
So now, he's had to chop up the aircraft into pieces to bring it home... and he's going to convert it into a luxury "motorhome" for rent on tour.
Yes, you heard that right... you too could spend a night sleeping in this monstrosity.
Kalloo, Kallay, oh Frabjous day...
...and he's funding it exactly as you might think: in true
"alternative investment marketeer spending OPM" style.
mnem
there's an hour of my life I'll never get back...
I think he's borderline crazy and that the RV build is never going to allowed on the road, it just too wild and whacky.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:48 pm
by mnementh
You'd be surprised at the stoopidity they'll allow on the highway over here. As long as it's registered as the brand of motorhome that's on the title, there are gonna be a lot of states where it would be easy to get plates.
Speaking as someone who's built more than a few cars literally from the ground up; if you can get chassis/body and title from old enough vehicle, it's pretty easy to make it meet minimum inspection requirements for most states. Also, in most states, a motorhome is already a "modified truck chassis", so crashworthiness wasn't even a "thing" when it was sold new.
mnem
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:30 pm
by bd139
Well done Musk. Take the piss out of your customers in a market which controls a fuck load of money and media. He's clearly on crack or something.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:05 pm
by tggzzz
bd139 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:30 pm
Well done Musk. Take the piss out of your customers in a market which controls a fuck load of money and media. He's clearly on crack or something.
I saw that too, and it is so unbelievable that I wonder if the source is a satirical website.
Japan drives on the correct side too, and India is biassed that way as well.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:11 am
by Specmaster
tggzzz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:05 pm
bd139 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:30 pm
Well done Musk. Take the piss out of your customers in a market which controls a fuck load of money and media. He's clearly on crack or something.
I saw that too, and it is so unbelievable that I wonder if the source is a satirical website.
Japan drives on the correct side too, and India is biassed that way as well.
He is thinking that he's the modern day version of the late Henry Ford, "You can have any handed drive you like, as long its left hand"
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:07 pm
by Cerebus
It's a measure of just how stupid Elon Musk is, and how widely known it is that he's that stupid, that people are not immediately, automatically and off-hand dismissing this as satire. If it was Ford, or Toyota, you wouldn't believe it for one second. And the real kicker is, it's
not satire, it's true.
Specmaster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:11 am
tggzzz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:05 pm
bd139 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:30 pm
Well done Musk. Take the piss out of your customers in a market which controls a fuck load of money and media. He's clearly on crack or something.
I saw that too, and it is so unbelievable that I wonder if the source is a satirical website.
Japan drives on the correct side too, and India is biassed that way as well.
He is thinking that he's the modern day version of the late Henry Ford, "You can have any handed drive you like, as long its left hand"
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:45 pm
by Specmaster
I was just watching a review of a Tesla S and I don't know why, but for some reason I always had the impression that they were supposed to be nice smooth riding cars. I'm not going anywhere near the other areas of the car, just the way it rode, and the reviewer and this was also clearly visible in the video as well said that it was extremely harsh in its ride and very uncomfortable. Now given the sheer weight of the batteries, that surprised me because if you take a lorry, one with conventional springs, when it is unladen, the ride is very harsh and uncomfortable, but load it up near its capacity and the ride is really surprisingly much more comfortable, so what is he thinking?
Do people really want a supposedly upmarket EV saloon/family car to ride like a track car and shake any fillings out of your teeth?
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:50 pm
by tggzzz
Specmaster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:45 pm
Do people really want a supposedly upmarket EV saloon/family car to ride like a track car and shake any fillings out of your teeth?
In my very limited experience of sports cars, they bump along like that!
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 5:09 pm
by bd139
Specmaster wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:45 pm
I was just watching a review of a Tesla S and I don't know why, but for some reason I always had the impression that they were supposed to be nice smooth riding cars. I'm not going anywhere near the other areas of the car, just the way it rode, and the reviewer and this was also clearly visible in the video as well said that it was extremely harsh in its ride and very uncomfortable. Now given the sheer weight of the batteries, that surprised me because if you take a lorry, one with conventional springs, when it is unladen, the ride is very harsh and uncomfortable, but load it up near its capacity and the ride is really surprisingly much more comfortable, so what is he thinking?
Do people really want a supposedly upmarket EV saloon/family car to ride like a track car and shake any fillings out of your teeth?
I've owned (temporarily via inheritance) and driven a Model S P100D. It's like driving an Aliexpress Android tablet. The fit and finish is terrible. The ride is terrible. The user interface is shit. Totally 100% America summed up.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:38 pm
by mnementh
Yeah, the S (Particularly the 100D) is not supposed to be a family sedan; it's supposed to be a sports car. As in mid 10-second quarter-mile. To give you some idea where that sits, my weekend warrior big-block Chevelle turned consistent low 12s. And I guarantee the S handles a lot better than that did on its best day.
So no, not gramma's grocery-getter; that would be the 3.
No comment on the rest, except to remind us that this whole family of vehicles is essentially a whole new approach to making cars; from the engineering through production, even the factory-direct sales model that murders the biggest leech on auto-buying, the whole "dealership good ol' boy network".
I think they're definitely doing better product than the first few years of the model T, for example...
Yeah Musk is a fukk'n idget. But the sun even shines on a dog's ass; there are a lot of things done right here.
mnem
Their wholesale abandonment of "vehicle warranty" in general tho... that's pretty unforgivable.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:12 pm
by BU508A
Just as an add on to the Tesla story from above:
"It's not tariffs keeping American cars out of Japan, it's Japan itself"
https://money.cnn.com/2018/03/16/news/e ... index.html
"In Japan's View, U.S. Car Companies Should Be Blaming Only Themselves"
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/06/us/i ... elves.html
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:14 pm
by tggzzz
mnementh wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:38 pm
Yeah, the S (Particularly the 100D) is not supposed to be a family sedan; it's supposed to be a sports car. As in mid 10-second quarter-mile. To give you some idea where that sits, my weekend warrior big-block Chevelle turned consistent low 12s.
What's the 0-60mph time?
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:41 pm
by AVGresponding
A bit over 2 seconds, officially, but they don't account for roll-out, so probably mid/high 2 seconds.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:25 pm
by Specmaster
Oops, sorry I thought it was a Model S, turns out to be a model 3
Oh that 0-60mph time, according to Tesla UK is supposed to be 1.9 seconds.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:28 pm
by tggzzz
AVGresponding wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:41 pm
A bit over 2 seconds, officially, but they don't account for roll-out, so probably mid/high 2 seconds.
60mph is 26m/s, so that's roughly 0.8-1.2g.
Not bad, will wake you up, but won't smear your cheeks
Presumably the 1.9s is a "self testing beta" measurement. Even then it won't smear your cheeks.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:23 pm
by Zenith
I was walking past the local garage the other day, and one of the cars they had in was one of the ultimate pieces of motor porn. An AC Cobra.
0-60mph in 4.2 seconds, 0-100mph in 10.3 seconds and it does it in style.
I fell in love.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:29 pm
by Specmaster
tggzzz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:28 pm
AVGresponding wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:41 pm
A bit over 2 seconds, officially, but they don't account for roll-out, so probably mid/high 2 seconds.
60mph is 26m/s, so that's roughly 0.8-1.2g.
Not bad, will wake you up, but won't smear your cheeks
Presumably the 1.9s is a "self testing beta" measurement. Even then it won't smear your cheeks.
No, its an official measurement, well 1.99 seconds to be precise, allegedly
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/models
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:40 pm
by tautech
Zenith wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:23 pm
I was walking past the local garage the other day, and one of the cars they had in was one of the ultimate pieces of motor porn. An AC Cobra.
0-60mph in 4.2 seconds, 0-100mph in 10.3 seconds and it does it in style.
I fell in love.
A buddy from high school had one for years and shoehorned a 504ci into it.
At the local drag strip he left the std diff gears on the start line.
Then rebuilt the rear end with a Jag diff that was tough enough to withstand the considerable extra grunt.
When it was time to go the original donkey was refitted as he wanted the big motor for a Galaxy restoration.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 am
by BU508A
Specmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:29 pm
tggzzz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:28 pm
AVGresponding wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:41 pm
A bit over 2 seconds, officially, but they don't account for roll-out, so probably mid/high 2 seconds.
60mph is 26m/s, so that's roughly 0.8-1.2g.
Not bad, will wake you up, but won't smear your cheeks
Presumably the 1.9s is a "self testing beta" measurement. Even then it won't smear your cheeks.
No, its an official measurement, well 1.99 seconds to be precise, allegedly
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/models
The fastest Tesla I could find on this website is the Tesla Model S Plaid.
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/tesla-model-s-p85d
0 - 60mph in 2.2s
0 - 100km/h in 2.3s (ca. 12.1m/s² or 1.23g)
For comparison, a Suzuki GSX 1300 R Hayabusa has
0 - 60mph in 2.6s
0 - 100km/h in 2.7s (ca. 10.3m/s² or 1.05g)
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/su ... r-hayabusa
0 - 60mph in 1.99s are roughly 13.1m/s² (1.33g). While it is not impossible, I do have some doubts if this is really the case.
g=9.81m/s²
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:13 am
by bd139
Was around 2.5 seconds. Pretty fierce. Which is the problem with it. No one needs 0-60 in 2.5 seconds.
Stupid car for stupid people. Paid a chunk of the mortgage off with it
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:35 am
by tggzzz
BU508A wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 am
Specmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:29 pm
tggzzz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:28 pm
60mph is 26m/s, so that's roughly 0.8-1.2g.
Not bad, will wake you up, but won't smear your cheeks
Presumably the 1.9s is a "self testing beta" measurement. Even then it won't smear your cheeks.
No, its an official measurement, well 1.99 seconds to be precise, allegedly
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/models
The fastest Tesla I could find on this website is the Tesla Model S Plaid.
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/tesla-model-s-p85d
0 - 60mph in 2.2s
0 - 100km/h in 2.3s (ca. 12.1m/s² or 1.23g)
For comparison, a Suzuki GSX 1300 R Hayabusa has
0 - 60mph in 2.6s
0 - 100km/h in 2.7s (ca. 10.3m/s² or 1.05g)
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/su ... r-hayabusa
0 - 60mph in 1.99s are roughly 13.1m/s² (1.33g). While it is not impossible, I do have some doubts if this is really the case.
g=9.81m/s²
The other comparison point is
normal behaviour in a glider: is ~0.5g horizontally, <0g to 1g vertically. And if you
don't experience that, you instantly go on high "uh oh" alert
And I've pulled >2g for the best part of a minute while flying. Batteries not included
Who needs them.
As for that Tesla acceleration, everybody here knows that 1.99s has suspiciously too many sig fig. Plus the "less than" marketing aspect. Plus it is
Tesla. Too many wheels, too few wings.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:23 am
by Specmaster
BU508A wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 am
Specmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:29 pm
tggzzz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:28 pm
60mph is 26m/s, so that's roughly 0.8-1.2g.
Not bad, will wake you up, but won't smear your cheeks
Presumably the 1.9s is a "self testing beta" measurement. Even then it won't smear your cheeks.
No, its an official measurement, well 1.99 seconds to be precise, allegedly
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/models
The fastest Tesla I could find on this website is the Tesla Model S Plaid.
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/tesla-model-s-p85d
0 - 60mph in 2.2s
0 - 100km/h in 2.3s (ca. 12.1m/s² or 1.23g)
For comparison, a Suzuki GSX 1300 R Hayabusa has
0 - 60mph in 2.6s
0 - 100km/h in 2.7s (ca. 10.3m/s² or 1.05g)
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/su ... r-hayabusa
0 - 60mph in 1.99s are roughly 13.1m/s² (1.33g). While it is not impossible, I do have some doubts if this is really the case.
g=9.81m/s²
Surely you're suggesting that Tesla marketing are being creative in their claims are you? Tsk, it certainly wouldn't be the first time marketing dept have stretched the truth, like the "WLTP" figures, who on earth can get anywhere near them in real life?
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:12 pm
by mnementh
BU508A wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:31 am
Specmaster wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:29 pm
tggzzz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:28 pm
60mph is 26m/s, so that's roughly 0.8-1.2g.
Not bad, will wake you up, but won't smear your cheeks
Presumably the 1.9s is a "self testing beta" measurement. Even then it won't smear your cheeks.
No, its an official measurement, well 1.99 seconds to be precise, allegedly
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/models
The fastest Tesla I could find on this website is the Tesla Model S Plaid.
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/tesla-model-s-p85d
0 - 60mph in 2.2s
0 - 100km/h in 2.3s (ca. 12.1m/s² or 1.23g)
For comparison, a Suzuki GSX 1300 R Hayabusa has
0 - 60mph in 2.6s
0 - 100km/h in 2.7s (ca. 10.3m/s² or 1.05g)
https://accelerationtimes.com/models/su ... r-hayabusa
0 - 60mph in 1.99s are roughly 13.1m/s² (1.33g). While it is not impossible, I do have some doubts if this is really the case.
g=9.81m/s²
Just a motorhead thing... 60MPH is
almost exactly the same as 100KPH. Nobody cares aboot the minute difference.
What most enthusiasts care aboot are 0-60MPH, 0-100MPH and quarter-mile times (and their metric equivalents).
Drivists (a term coined by my
"white-line-fever" mum) are also interested in 0-100MPH-0 times (accel & braking... IIRC, they advertised the 427 AC Cobra as 0-100-0 in 13.something seconds), and g on the skid-pad (acceleration while turning) as a measure of acceleration
plus "glued to the road" handling and traction/tires.
Like all such bloviation, performance is relative to all sorts of special conditions, most of which will not apply to the "street version" of any of these "supercars".
mnem
vroom.
Re: Interesting findings on the internet
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:16 pm
by mnementh
bd139 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:13 am
Was around 2.5 seconds. Pretty fierce. Which is the problem with it. No one needs 0-60 in 2.5 seconds.
Stupid car for stupid people. Paid a chunk of the mortgage off with it
All cars are stupid. We need to all work from home.
mnem
https://what-if.xkcd.com/142/
