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HP 211A

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Next project. hp 211A Square Wave Generator. From Facebook Marketplace. Extremely dirty on the outside and the cabinet will need re-painting. Papa Smurf's paint shop will be opened and will spray it gray.

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Inside is not too bad and is complete. There are lots of crapacitors that will have to be changed including at least 4 black beauties.

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Re: HP 211A

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The front panel cleaned up well. I used automotive polishing compound on the aluminum frequency dial and it got rid of 90% of the surface corrosion. The corroded BNC connectors will be replaced.

Next up is cleaning the case in prep for paint. The actual painting may have to wait since it's done outside and the weather is still chilly.

There will be no attempt at power up until after the PSU caps are replaced.

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Re: HP 211A

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It's coming along nicely. I assume you will spray paint the case.

You'll also have to make up a cursor, since the original has been broken off.
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Mike, that's cleaning up very nicely! You may motivate me to get mine out of the basement and give it some TLC...

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Very nice.

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My slightly newer sibling says hello.

The only mod I had to do to it was to remove the substandard mains input, and replace it with a modern one:

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Some time back I also snagged their later, much simpler sand filled cousins - the 220A and 221A. The 220A outputs a negative square wave, the 221A a positive one. Both are badly in need of cleaning and restoration, as one needs a bit of imagination to consider their outputs to be square waves. Interestingly, both are early examples of their respective engineering revs, the first being the 92nd off the line (815-00192) and the second the 98th (927-00198). As I recall, I had that search going on the Bay of Malcontent for quite a long time; I don't think they sold particularly well (or perhaps were considered disposable; list price for either in 1969 was $195 while the 211A was $400 and the 211B was $450).

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MED6753 wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:46 pm Next project. hp 211A Square Wave Generator. From Facebook Marketplace. Extremely dirty on the outside and the cabinet will need re-painting. Papa Smurf's paint shop will be opened and will spray it gray.

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Inside is not too bad and is complete. There are lots of crapacitors that will have to be changed including at least 4 black beauties.

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This looks like a neat project. From the pictures it looks like it's a mix of original and replacement tubes in there. Also, is the one 0.1 MFD capacitor visible under the chassis an American Radionics Ceracap? The package kind of looks like one of those.
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Re: HP 211A

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Cubdriver wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:16 am Some time back I also snagged their later, much simpler sand filled cousins - the 220A and 221A.
Those are SO cute! Thanks for posting.
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Finally had a good day to open Papa Smurfs paint shop. It's a matte vintage gray somewhat close to hp gray.

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The old handle was shot. New handle installed.

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A few items left to fix on the front panel then the mechanical restoration will be complete.
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Repairs to the front panel. Replaced corroded BNC's. The binding post for the 600 Ohm output was cracked. Super glue fixed that. The plastic cursor to set accurate frequency was broken and missing. Made one with black paint.

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The mechanical restoration is now complete. Next is the electrical restoration. Still have to prepare the list and order the parts from Mouser. Stay tuned.
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So how long before this turns up in a shade of blue :lol:
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bd139 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:12 pm So how long before this turns up in a shade of blue :lol:
You didn't read the entire thread again, did you? The case was painted gray. :D
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MED6753 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:22 pm
bd139 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:12 pm So how long before this turns up in a shade of blue :lol:
You didn't read the entire thread again, did you? The case was painted gray. :D
Yeah I did read that. I'm just stirring the pot :lol:
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Just enough hollow-state to light your arse up. I approve! :lol:

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Re: HP 211A

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I'm finding differences in the manual I downloaded from the hp archives and this unit. V12 is shown on the schematic as a rather uncommon 5V3 Rectifier. My unit has V12 as a much more common 5U4GB Rectifier. I haven't found any other differences yet.

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Started the re-cap. C26 and C27 changed out. The old C27 can is disconnected and will remain in place. hp likes to rivet the cans to the chassis so I'm not going to bother to drill out the rivets. Been down that road before with other hp units where it was necessary to install replacements.

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Re: HP 211A

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5V3A has an entry in the 1966 RCA Receiving Tube Manual. 5V3 is mentioned in the obsolete section. I've never come across it before. 5U4 isn't much less capable. On the face of it, either looks like overkill in this application.

I'd guess it went out of production, or became expensive, into the manufacturing run of this oscillator. 5V3 and 5U4 look to be plug in replacements for each other, as were many of those rectifiers.
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Re: HP 211A

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My 1970 edition of the RCA Receiving Tube Manual is buried somewhere downstairs in the storage unit but I did compare specs of the 5V3 vs the 5U4 online and they are pretty much equivalent. I've never seen a 5V3 in the wild either.
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Re: HP 211A

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More work. C25 replaced. Had to install a terminal strip to accommodate the replacement cap.


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Since that was the last capacitor to be replaced in the PSU decided to do a test power up. First try resulted in nothing. Completely dead. A bad power switch is the culprit. Don't have a replacement so I did a temporary jumper. Got power and after a few minutes of settling was able to adjust the PSU to spec -195V.

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Do we have an output? Yes, but it looks more like a pulse than a square wave. There's a symmetry adjustment it won't adjust to 50/50. The balance of the re-cap will be done first and if this is still an issue we'll find the cause.

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