Interesting findings on the internet
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Perhaps, but I'm not in the art market. Perhaps I should look for a kit and make my own art.
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Not a bad rule of thumb is that if you think you could do something yourself, then it isn't art.
Yes, I could copy a Mondrian, but I couldn't have created it.
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Mondrian managed to sell a concept. Once you'd got the idea I don't see how "in the style of" Modrian could be told apart from an original, apart from his records and records of his sales.
There have been brilliant art forgers whose works were indistinguishable from original works by famous artists, and there was more to it than faking a Mondrian. Han van Meegeren famously sold Herman Goering an original Vermeer, which he'd painted himself. After the war van Meegeren was put on trial for dealing with Goering on the sale of a national treasure. He had quite a job to convince the court that the painting was a fake and he'd painted it. He went further than nipping down to the local art supplies shop. He was using the same pigments, methods and materials that Vermeer would have used.
How is a Vermeer which experts can't distinguish from Vermeers of known provenence, less valid than acknowledged Vermeers? Possibly unknown original works by great artists do turn up once in a while.
Tom Keating was a prolific British art forger.
A lot of paintings by artists such as Raphael came out of his studio, but most of the work was done by his apprentices. The great man would have laid down an outline of the work and at the end added a few finishing touches.
Then there's the tale of Picasso receiving a letter from French art students, who said they wanted to go to an exhibition of his works, but they were beat for bread, so could he bung them the Francs. He wrote on the back of their letter, "Sell this", signed it "Picasso" as he signed his paintings, and sent it back to them.
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All successful artists sell a concept. Consider Tracy Emin's bed and Damian Hurst's pickles.
Hurst used to helicopter clients to my gliding club, since it was near his factory in Stroud. Never saw him, but did bump into the Top Gear mob.
Hurst used to helicopter clients to my gliding club, since it was near his factory in Stroud. Never saw him, but did bump into the Top Gear mob.
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And don't forget Shaun Greenhalgh aka "The Bolton Forger"; I have a copy of his book. He featured in a television series, but was let down by a gushing presenter. The success of forgers says a lot about the art trade and people with too much money.
My mother's hobby was painting. Sadly, although technically competent, her work had zero originality/interest. She should have turned to forgery; had she done so, I would be seriously proud.
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Tracy Emin was a product of a Saatchi & Saatchi marketing campaign. I remember discussing this with several people well known in textile design, and one of them said, "God knows why Tracy Emin's bed is supposed to be more interesting than my bed or your bed. She can't bloody draw." I said, "I sense the ghost of Marcel Duchamp is hovering around this conversation and is trying hard not to piss itself. He spent about three years of his life producing art, and the rest playing chess"'. I believe Damian Hurst was from the same stable. I consider it about the same as manufactured pop groups; Boney M, The Monkees, and others.
The history of art is full of outrageous nonsense. Man Ray's "The Gift"; a flat iron with about 16 felt clouts glued to the bottom. I suppose the idea is intriguing. Salvador Dali was commissioned to create a shop window display for a New York department store. His effort was considered a lewd affront to public decency, but it was artistic. A crowd gathered and cops were called in to stop them from seeing it. It had the desired intention of making the store's name known.
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I have two or three paintings by friend's mothers who were artists in their spare time. They are certainly good enough to put on the wall.
I think high level forgery involves quite extraordinary basic talent, mastery of technique and researching techniques and materials used in the past, someone pissed off that their actual work doesn't sell for much, and a criminal streak.
If you want a Da Vinci, a Vermeer, a Rembrandt, I have standard rates. If you want a Van Eyck, that will cost you more because of all those bloody varnish layers. Hieronymous Bosch will also cost more, because after doing one of those, I need a fortnight on the Costa del Sol to recover. They're just weird shit.
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Didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. S&S were advertising men who wanted to be the centre of the conversation, so it isn't surprising if they designed/engineered the conversation.Zenith wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2026 9:40 pmTracy Emin was a product of a Saatchi & Saatchi marketing campaign. I remember discussing this with several people well known in textile design, and one of them said, "God knows why Tracy Emin's bed is supposed to be more interesting than my bed or your bed. She can't bloody draw." I said, "I sense the ghost of Marcel Duchamp is hovering around this conversation and is trying hard not to piss itself. He spent about three years of his life producing art, and the rest playing chess"'. I believe Damian Hurst was from the same stable. I consider it about the same as manufactured pop groups; Boney M, The Monkees, and others.
The bed and shark and urinal were "justified" by the concept of it being A Good Thing if the audience is Challenged to Think About What Art Is. Given the time and place, that just about works for the urinal. The others - not so much.
The Monkees were transparent bubblegum pop, and made a pleasant enough ignorable background muzak. With the emphasis on ignorable.
The history of everything is full of outrageous nonsense - a variant of Sturgeon's law. The outrage is that some things persisted for more than a week, and that people took them seriously thereafter.The history of art is full of outrageous nonsense. Man Ray's "The Gift"; a flat iron with about 16 felt clouts glued to the bottom. I suppose the idea is intriguing. Salvador Dali was commissioned to create a shop window display for a New York department store. His effort was considered a lewd affront to public decency, but it was artistic. A crowd gathered and cops were called in to stop them from seeing it. It had the desired intention of making the store's name known.
Mind you, I do half admire Hurst for the way he managed to extract money from gullible idiots.
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And now I know Sturgeon's law. And believe it. Especially about science fiction, of which I have always read a lot. Mind you, the only place I have encountered bug-eyed monsters is in HGTTG, On the topic of science fiction, in the 70s I read a book where the use of heat pumps had been outlawed but people still used them, forcing them to wade through nitrogen slush if they ventured outside. I'd be very keen to read that again if anyone recognises it from my wonderfully clear description.
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"something of a Philistine"....REALLY?
for saying something like that you need to pack your bags and go back to Philistia!
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Nixies look lovely because they hark back to an era when electronics was supposed to conform to human expectations (properly shaped numbers), rather than the other way around.
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Interesting observation.
I rather like the bulb -> mask -> ground glass screen displays. I have some similar to those in the illustration below, but haven't made anything with them yet.
